[ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right, good morning, it land. here we go. former fbi agent on today to talk about all of the latest stuff out of boston. good morning, jacki schechner. >> good morning. >> stephanie: i got some good news. my best friend in the whole world, wanda my 30-year best friend, she's okay. she was in boston. she was two blocks from the blast with her daughter on a college trip. you know, she just said it was incredible. you could smell it. some good samaritan helped get them out of there.

it was chaos. they didn't know the city. man, a lot of those stories coming out after yesterday. good samaritans. >> that's the upside of this is the way that we managed to come together in these times of crises and show our resilience and i think that that's what's really special in these moments is to see that there are people in the midst of such morer -- horror and terror. >> stephanie: i get breaking news updates while we're in the middle of deep, personal discussions. she gives me updates in the middle of conversations. here she is now with more. jacki schechner in the current news center. good morning everybody. there's a lot going on today. first, the latest out of boston. federal law enforcement officials say the bombs that killed three people and wounded at least 176 17 critically, at the finish line of monday's marathon were explosives made from pressure cookers filled with metal and ball bearings and carried in backpacks. the fbi and homeland security are circulating photos of the device remains to figure out where the components came from.

no word yet on what may have triggered those blasts. and so far no clue as to who's responsible or why. security has been high at the funeral of margaret thatcher. the former british prime minister funeral being held today at st. paul's cathedral in london. more than 2,000 mourners representing at least 170 countries turned out to pay respects to before britain's first female prime minister known as the iron lady. queen elizabeth and her husband prince phillip attended along with henry kissinger dick cheney and former house speaker newt gingrich. thatcher suffered a stroke on april 8th and died at the age of 87. she will be cremated and buried privately. the senate will start debate on gun control amendments including the manchin toomey compromise on background checks. joe manchin told nbc news this morning he does not expect the amendment to pass today. that it simply does not have the votes.

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>> stephanie: it is the "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. six minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number. toll free from anywhere. stephaniemiller.com the web site. e-mail us all there. i was telling jacki at the top of the hour, so many stories coming out of boston and i had a personal one yesterday. people were concerned. my best friend in the whole world texted me and said i'm in boston. i didn't know that. i didn't know if she was with one or both of her daughters. she left me a long message. we kept trading -- she was two blocks from the blast when it

happened. >> oh, my god. >> stephanie: but you know, it is that panic we all feel when you don't know where your loved ones are. herself is a good samaritan -- hers is a good samaritan story. evan got them out. you could smell it. literally two blocks. that was one of the heartbreaking things to me, this little 8-year-old boy. how about the pictures. >> martin. oh, my god. >> stephanie: he was running from the first blast when he was killed by the second. it was like charlie pierce telling us, you hear secondary device. there were thoughts there would be more. i think someone was comparing it to the madrid bombing. there was more -- people were like oh, my god, how many are there? so anyway, they didn't know boston or how to get out of there. it was like a little angel appeared. he went miles out of his way to get them out of there. thank you evan, if you're listening to boston. thank you!

[ applause ] a lot of stories like that. >> sure, you owe me a beer. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: this part of town is wicked hard to get outta. follow me. >> it sounds like they were in back bay. that is hard to get out of because you're right along the charles river there. >> stephanie: exactly. big dig still going on? >> no. >> stephanie: years ago. i was like literally this is still going on. no way to get out of here. >> the big dig is closer to downtown. pretty far away from where copley square is. >> stephanie: first did radio station stuff, sexy liberal stuff. still? how can you get around here? >> they started the big dig when i lived there in the '80s! god! >> stephanie: i had my old nose. >> you can't get away. >> stephanie: oh dear. yeah. you see all of these scenes. neighbors gathered around a chalk rainbow on the sidewalk

outside -- bruins shirt. martin richards home, crystal campbell 29. she was killed. and the third fatality, chinese citizen whose identity is still not being made public at the request of the family. he was a boston university graduate student killed while watching the race with friends. so yeah. you just heard story after story. did you hear this one guy police called the cowboy. >> yeah. guy in the white hat. >> stephanie: literally, the guy in the white hat. >> i saw the picture of him helping the guy who had his legs blown off. >> stephanie: that's the thing. which of us would have the wherewithal. first of all he's there in honor of his son. one died in iraq and then the other son killed himself because of the first -- so he's there to honor his sons. he hands out american flags and you know, he's become a peace

activist. carlos arredondo was in the bleaches at the finish line when the bomb went off. i don't know about you but i'm one of these squeamish around blood people. this guy was right there. he said in the next moment, he was vaulting over a barricade racing straight into the cloud. there was a young man who was trying desperately to stand up. he had no legs. >> oh, my god. >> stephanie: i told him my name is carlos and you will be okay. help is on the way. he was bleeding so heavily he said that he's not going to make it unless he tourniquets him. >> he looks gray. >> stephanie: he grabbed somebody's sweater tore it apart. tourniqueted both legs. next grabbed a wheelchair somebody was pushing past. he moved as quickly as he could while holding what remained of his legs. the young man was still conscious. ar -- arredondo said he would help him. you can imagine the chaos. he was still conscious when he was put in the back of the

ambulance. i told him you're going to be fine. then he remained at the scene still wearing buttons affixed to his shirt of his two sons. the older one had been 20 when he was killed serving with the marines in iraq. the younger son hung himself. the marathon on patriots' day he had come there to hand out american flags in memory of his sons and others who lost their lives as a result of the war on terror that was supposed to keep us safe. so bitter eye roveny there for him. he had only flag left when the bombs went off and had become soaked in blood. ♪ let's hear it for the boy ♪ ♪ let's give the boy a hand ♪ >> immigrant to america. >> stephanie: all right. the president yesterday speaking about -- >> obama: given what we now know about what took place, the fbi is investigating it as an act of terrorism. any time bombs are used to target innocent civilians it is an act of terror.

>> stephanie: that's the important thing is making sure bill o'reilly is happy with the semantics. >> he didn't call it terror! >> it seems like the far right all they cared about yesterday was semantics. something that they didn't hear in president obama's statement to the nation. >> he didn't blame the arabs. >> they didn't care about the victims in boston. they only cared about the words president obama did or didn't use. >> stephanie: not in a good place yesterday with worrying about wanda and i made a grey error in that i listened to rush limbaugh. >> oh, don't do that! >> stephanie: i shouldn't have done that. i don't even understand some people -- not only as partisans but as just carbon-based life forms. he just was being snarky and you know, making benghazi jokes. i wonder if there was a video -- no one knows. we'll find out. really? >> doctors are still picking shrapnel out of people. while he's making jokes like that. >> stephanie: it was the same

as it ever was. snarky political anti-obama stuff. oh okay. all right. here's another one. two brothers watching the boston marathon, each lost a leg. these are the -- this is what people were going through yesterday in boston. liz norton, mother of five had finished hauling groceries into her home when her cell phone rang. ma, i'm hurt real bad said her 31-year-old son. he was in an ambulance. her second boy who had gone with the older brother to watch the boston marathon. her son said his legs were badly burned. his brother had been next to him. he didn't know where he was. they find out each of the brothers last a leg from the knee down. this is the stuff people were dealing with. all right. the president yesterday talking about the -- >> obama: who carried out this attack or why. whether it was planned and

executed by a terrorist organization foreign or domestic. or was the act of a monthly ev lent individual. >> i can't wait for wayne lapierrre to say guns don't kill people, pressure cookers kill people. you shouldn't have kitchen implements of any kind. >> stephanie: no pressure cookers on planes anymore. crock-pots next maybe. >> microwaves. >> stephanie: sure. >> foil, you could be in big trouble. >> or a baked potato in foil like stephanie did. >> stephanie: you know what? let's not point to my domestic disasters. i was getting used to morning radio hours. i've had that potato in the microwe've forever and it won't cook. i forgot. >> computer says no. >> on fire. [ explosion ] >> stephanie: i don't know what happened.

>> foil in microwaves. >> stephanie: i'm domestically impaired. for a little break from the -- we all have to do that. you're like i need to have a break from the -- to talk about something else. i don't think you've seen her on chelsea lately. she has a new book, i can barely take care of myself. happy tales. >> all about being childless and drinking. >> stephanie: yea. >> we thought that would be right up your alley. >> stephanie: someone to affirm my life choices today. former fbi agent and hal sparks who rocked the chicago theatre saturday night will be live for hump days with hal. all right. the president yesterday. >> obama: if you want to know who we are what america is, we respond to evil. that's it. >> stephanie: yeah, you know, somebody wrote a great -- who is this, wrote a great piece in salon. we can't stop people from putting bombs in trash cans. it is -- jacki was saying about

the point of terror is to terrorize us. that's the way it works is if we are. he wrote great stuff. tragedies amplify the human tendencies toward selfishness -- selflessness and [ bleep ] holiness. which is a good word in this case. from a distance, watching horrible things happen on tv can be much easier to see the [ bleep ] holiness. that's a hard word to say. yesterday [ bleep ] hole, boston marathon and today three people confirmed dead, yada, yada. we were talking about some on the right wing and the internet, the press acquitted themselves reasonably well. there was no reason for neil cavuto to interview joe arpaio yet that happened. this was an obnoxious reminder it can only turn off its shtick when they're running the show. running poorly sourced [ bleep ] all day. by the way, so, of course, the

saudi nationalist turned out to be a citizen that was just scared -- excuse me, a student that was just scared and running like everybody else. anyway, he writes basically be skeptical what you see and read over the next few months. whoever turns out did this and whatever his motive, he or they sucked at being a terrorist. that's something that should be made clear this week. this guy was an embarrassment to terrorists and as a result, we will not be terrorized. >> only one thing to do. invade lithuania. >> huh? >> stephanie: exactly. [ scooby-doo's "huh?" ] >> stephanie: i hope americans as a whole do nothing except find and punish the person responsible. if we acknowledge it isn't an existential threat, we can take reasonable steps to mitigate the threat without freak out and getting every flight with people who look mideastern grounded. banning backpacks from public spaces or launching wars. there is no way of stopping dedicated polls. from putting crappy little bombs in trash bins on street corners.

thankfully it barely ever happens in the u.s. it is our responsibility to that fine american city to get back to normal. then he adds a quote from a new yorker. this is why as a new yorker, i'm look forward to when boston returns to despising us and our stupid city and overpaid ancient yankees and we return the sentiment. [ laughter ] that will be returned to normal. this [ bleep ] hole didn't accomplish a damn thing. good stuff. in salon. [ applause ] >> stephanie: i'm still recovering from the right-winger that called yesterday that literally used this to go how come you're not criticizing obama like you did bush after 9-11. first of all let's not get started about how bad an analogy that is. the point of this piece as if really -- >> why didn't he look in his kenyan crystal ball to figure it out? >> stephanie: okay. somebody putting a crappy little

bomb in a trash can is the same as some huge plot of which the bush administration had ample warnings and ignored and killed 3,000 of our citizens. you're comparing that to what happened in boston? >> i don't remember too maybe people criticizing george bush or rudy giuliani in the two days following. >> stephanie: for months. people were scared to say anything. >> until they started doing really awful things, then recriticized them. >> stephanie: like invading the wrong country? information came out about how bad a security failure it was on their watch? >> i blame the lithuanians. you know what them people are like. >> stephanie: did you see george bush is getting yappy because his library is opening? he said he's comfortable with his record. comfortable with his legacy. you would be the one. 19 minutes after the hour. we continue on "the stephanie miller show." >> what did you have for breakfast this morning? carnation instant bitch?

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talk about the latest from boston. we were talking about that obviously everybody has, you know, a theory and -- that was the other thing, by the way you knew rush limbaugh was going to go. the mainstream media is desperate, ladies and gentlemen. a tea party -- no, they're not. they're desperate to find out the facts. this will be bad for obama -- it is just -- really? you have to put it in those terms the day it happens or the day arrive. >> i think he's scared it is a right-wing terrorist. he's trying to head it off at the pass. >> stephanie: who knows. anyway, but you know. i love -- our friend dave weigel in slate said the conspiracy theorists will have a tough time with boston. this is the media universe we live in. somebody from alex jones web site got to ask the first question to governor deval patrick at the press conference. false flag guy. this is how slate describes it.

patrick look on with rage and pity said "no." >> next question. >> stephanie: a reporter/analyst -- >> what? >> stephanie: for alex jones. >> slash fry cook. >> stephanie: managed to ask governor patrick the first question. we were talking about how social media and the internet -- it is not like when uncle walter was in charge when mama was growing up and there were only three channels. >> now mama is in charge and we're all screwed. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: that is terrifying. >> thank god we got a real journalist. >> stephanie: again, as usual even the premise was false. what he said is why were they telling the people in the audience to be calm moments before the bomb went off. that is complete bull [ bleep ] there were no speakers. is this another statemented attack to promote homeland security while sticking their hands down our pants on the streets? >> the red coats did it. >> computer says no.

>> stephanie: anyway, let's see. dave weigel writes a tough road ahead. they need to concoct a compelling conspiracy theory. there is a high def video. not only -- that's the thing again in this day and age not just television but everybody else. everybody niece days has a video camera. in their phone. that was some sort of new information. >> you only discovered yours yesterday. >> stephanie: i only discovered it when i was trying to take a picture. why is it moving? it is moving pictures. >> they can do that? [ laughter ] >> what's next? talkies? >> stephanie: will there be talkies on my phone? anyway inevitably, more video of the spectators filming their friends at the finish line which is what law enforcement is looking for now. bad information dies quicker these days. that's the good news about the internet and social media. blah blah, blah. anyway he said so far conspiracies are weak. there were no loud speakers

telling people in the audience to be calm. yada yada, yada. i'm not sure how he expected the governor to respond. that certainly is an interesting theory. on the other hand -- ♪ you are an idiot ha, ha, ha, ha ha, ha ♪ >> stephanie: chuck hagel defense secretary yesterday. >> in the event with multiple explosive devices as this appears to be, is clearly an act of terror and will be approached as an act of terror. >> stephanie: yeah, this is the universe we live in now after the stupid benghazi story. >> benghazi. >> stephanie: they asked john mccain out how president is doing because that's really the barometer. >> that's not the policy. >> stephanie: john mccain, white house response to the boston bombing has been certainly adequate. oh thanks. the response of both state federal and local is certainly adequate. as far as i can tell, they're doing everything that needs to be done. >> what would mccain have

done? gone and bombed canada? >> stephanie: the senator from the green room. oh let's ask john mccain how he think the president did on that. all right. john boner yesterday. >> described in a lot of different ways but it was a terrorist attack of some sort. until we know who or why, i don't think we can further define it. >> boner sounding reasonable. >> stephanie: and john mccain, not yesterday. >> i always thought it was just utter -- not to use the word "terrorist" when we talk about attacks that kill innocent civilians. >> stephanie: okay, bitter from 2008. your party is ready. your table is ready. bitter party of one. really? semantics. we're still arguing about semantics and how many people are missing limbs in boston. right back on "the stephanie miller show."

criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal or is it a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i am given to doing anyway. staying in tough with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them, right? vo: the war room tonight at 6 eastern

>> announcer: stephanie miller. >> it's none of my business but are you wearing a revolving door? if you are, i would like to go around with you sometime. >> stephanie: it is the "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 34 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere as we continue talking about the aftermath of what happened in boston. senator saxby chambliss yesterday. >> this particular -- it will cause the administration and congress to evaluate our overall security programs around the country, particularly for major

events. >> stephanie: i hope they catch this guy soon. >> could be a chick. >> stephanie: that was speculation about that. they think there's more than one. maybe based on what happened in madrid. more than one person that did it. i don't know. yes who can say? >> the fbi soon, hopefully. >> stephanie: rick, can't pronounce his name. special agent in charge. >> as an on-going investigation our investigation certainly will not be confined very likely to the city limits of boston. we'll go to the ends of the earth to identify the subject or subjects who are responsible for this. >> stephanie: we're going to talk to chris kerr, former fbi agent. you know, they were saying -- i know they already found the backpacks. they were saying that's sometimes the best source of information. it will be fascinating to ask him. i don't know how they find the person because of that. >> could be dna residue. >> stephanie: right. oh. yeah, but i mean, i guess they can also -- some people do bombs, have a signature or

something. we'll talk to chris about all of this. i don't know. and they were saying, i think that's why they've been asking so heavily, the 1-800-call-fbi, it could be the best source. even if you don't think you have something, you might have been filming something waiting for your friends or something because obviously it would be not even when -- when it happened but before that. >> any video you have, no matter how trivial you think it is, send it to the fbi. they may find a clue you didn't see. >> stephanie: guess who offered to help? russia. putin has offered his country's assistance in investigating the bombings. the district attorney daniel conley there. >> what occurred yesterday in boston was an act of cowardice. make no mistake an act of cowardice and of this severity cannot be justified or explained. it can only be answered. >> stephanie: the boston school superintendent carol johnson advised parents to limit their children's news

consumption. >> good idea. >> stephanie: she sent a memo to school staffers, national association of psychologists including suggestions adults remain calm and reassuring. allow kids to ask questions. parents should stick to the facts and discussing them in age-appropriate terms. lastly, they should strive to limit the amount of news coverage see on tv and the internet while they're on break. they're not in school right now. they're more likely to watch a lot of tv. >> i'm sure they saw the wall-to-wall coverage the day it happened. >> stephanie: this is why jen kirkman who just wrote "i can barely take care of myself" is because i wouldn't be good at any of this stuff. i'm good at panicking. >> panicking and drinking. >> stephanie: right! >> panicking. >> stephanie: that's what i would encourage my kids to do. let's panic and drink together. >> do shot. knock them back with your kids. >> stephanie: go get mama more medicine and then we'll talk

through this. >> what do you mean you don't know how to drive? >> stephanie: okay. timothy alvin massachusetts state police. >> have to be hundreds if not thousands of photographs or videos or observations that were made down at that finish line yesterday. and they're sitting out there amongst everyone that's watching this event this morning. >> stephanie: yeah, and they're saying that is generally where -- it is like, again the good news about the news cycle. the most wanted show, again just normal people that find something. >> america's most wanted unfortunately was just canceled. >> stephanie: robert in new mexico you're on "the stephanie miller show." hey, robert. >> caller: hi. you know again, my thoughts and prayers to the folks in boston and we love you all. you know, i just -- this morning, i was just kind of upset watching a major morning news show, major network morning news show and they're continuing this narrative that it is

islamic, jihadist, al-qaeda-type organization. without having any facts. >> stephanie: you know what? it might be. that's the problem. we don't know yet. >> caller: right. for every one time they mention a domestic terrorist organization, they mentioned al-qaeda ten times. and you know, i think that's part of what rush limbaugh does. he gets out in front and he tries to shape the behavior of these major news networks by his ranting and raving and i think that's something we need to be careful of and really as a society, we need to understand. >> stephanie: yeah, that's what i was saying yesterday. he makes this like -- he takes one guy that wrote one thing and says oh, the mainstream media is dying to think this or this. no, "washington post" is one of the only places that rushed to a judgment without having the information. and as it turns out, they were wrong. i'm sorry, "new york post." >> very different.

>> very, very different. >> sorry! >> stephanie: all right. one of the doctors at massachusetts general. >> variety of sharp objects we found in their bodies, probably this bomb had multiple metallic fragments in them. >> stephanie: horrific injuries. it really was unbelievable. all right. lot more on this stuff and we have jen kirkman coming up. 40 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> call stephanie now. she's easy. 1-800-steph-12. support the drug war you must be high. cenk uygur: i think the number one thing viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. i think the audience gets that i actually mean it. michael shure: this show is about being up to date so a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i am given to doing anyway. joy behar: you can say anything here. jerry springer: i spent a couple

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person that writes every day. and if obama -- he's blaming everything -- it is disgusting it makes me sick! what happened in boston makes me sick okay. but the things that they're writing on this page are criminal. okay? >> stephanie: yeah. >> caller: this one group that get on -- they're from new york, arlington, whatever. they grew up in the arlington belmont area. the things -- it is obama's fault because his kids are on vacation. his wife wore a certain dress. this happened because of him. it is making me sick to my stomach. >> stephanie: i'm sure that will happen. it was a sundress that michelle obama wore. >> caller: if you write the word [ bleep ] -- >> stephanie: yikes. okay. wowee. that was worth it just for the boston pronunciation of when the president farts. >> in allington. >> the president farts in arlington then a butterfly gets

its wings. [ ding ding ] >> i may have got that wrong. >> stephanie: gloria in jersey you're on "the stephanie miller show." hello, gloria. >> caller: hello. i'm calling concerning the bombing in boston. >> stephanie: yes. >> caller: my theory is it wasn't so much terrorism. all you hear about is banning the assault rifles because they kill so many people. somebody's making a point where it's not just assault rifles that kill a lot of people, it is also bombs. >> stephanie: you think the nra is behind it. >> caller: not so much the nra. i think it is somebody that just believes in having assault rifles. they don't want them banned. >> stephanie: it is interesting. i don't prescribe to that. what i'm saying is it is interesting timing. it is incredible. background check is in trouble. we're obviously going to talk about that next hour. >> it wouldn't surprise me if

some nra member, wayne lapierrre would say see guns don't kill people. kitchen -- pressure cooker. >> stephanie: sure. all right. they'll be fine if there is a crock-pot registry, i'm guessing. corky in rochester you're on "the stephanie miller show." real quick. hey, corky. >> caller: how you doing steph? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: it is not a conspiracy theory. i'm waiting for somebody in the senate or congress to come up and say we have to restore the pentagon spending because you know, all of this is happening and we need more money for the pentagon. >> we need another icbm. >> don't let a tragedy go to waste, you know. >> stephanie: exactly. thank you, corky. appreciate it. all right. this is one of the bombing victims in boston yesterday. >> there are people who have lost their lives or have lost limbs. so i'm very fortunate. i wish everybody else the best.

>> stephanie: again, a lot of -- a lot of heroes along with -- always the best and the worst, these things bring out. the other big story people don't know if it is connected or not is the ricin letter, an envelope addressed to robert wicker in mississippi. tested positive for ricin. potential poison. authorities have a suspect. it was from an individual who frequently writes to lawmakers. it doesn't seem connected but who knows you know. >> what is he advocating that would make someone want to poison him? >> stephanie: i don't know. he's a conservative republican from mississippi. >> freshman senator too. not like he has a big record. >> stephanie: let's take a break from the bad news to laugh. jen kirkman if you haven't seen her on chelsea lately, she's hilarious. she has a book out reaffirming my life choice which is why, in addition to being hilarious she's hear. it is called "i can barry take care of my -- i can barely take

care of myself, tales from my happy life without kids." >> i love your show. i've listened for years. i'm so excited. >> stephanie: i love you too. we are probably both drunk right now, aren't we? >> i'm still in bed. so yes. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: this is hilarious. this book is hilarious. i'm just reading little parts of it. it is hard to be an adult. you have to dress yourself and pay bills and remember to buy birthday gifts and drive and get annual physicals and tip for good service. some adults take on a further burden of taking on a tiny human with no verbal skills or bathroom skills. i was just on vacation with my friend roland over christmas. we spent our entire time at the adults only pool. >> there is a chapter in the book about my friend, sara, and i. she's a friend from work and doesn't want kids either and so we went to hawaii and paid for

the nice cabanas. the kids had three different pools and all of the adults were bringing their kids to our apo i kept saying listen, it is your rules, not mine. there is an adult pool. you gotta enforce it. i was yelling at the security guard. everyone was afraid to tell the people with kids they couldn't be there. i was like you know what? these mothers don't want to be around other children either. that's the dirty truth. you can say that if you have kids. you can say oh i don't like kids. i just like my own. but if you don't like kids, you're a monster if you want to sit under the cabana without someone peaking in the pool. >> stephanie: we did a massage and they said would you like to be down by the cabana. isn't this lovely? you can hear the ocean and the sound of children's laughter and we said that's not laughter. that is bloodcurdling screaming! that is not relaxing! >> the beach and the sound of children's laughter, i would rather hear sea gulls fighting

over a french fry. [ laughter ] >> it is not for me. it is just not for me. i'm sitting here like my hands are curling up like oh! you know what's so funny too my grandmother's generation was like they have much pride in where they live and taking care of everything and i'm like i don't know how people do it with kids. i'm so tired. i'm only 38 but i've been walking and chewing my own food for 38 years. i'm so tired. i can't imagine, you know, friends of mine that are just having kids now. oh, my gosh, you guys are going to be so tired. >> stephanie: i don't know if you're like me. the one person in the room that doesn't like dogs or kids or cats kids gravitate to me like a moth to flame because you're the one person that doesn't give a [ bleep ] you talk down to them. it is exhausting. i literally -- i have to pry them off of me.

>> i always have kids coming up to me. i'm afraid of kids because they weren't nice to me when i was a kid. kids are very honest. one time i was at a friend's birthday party for her toddler. her kid came up to me and said why do you have red dots on your face? i said because i'm having a premenstrual breakout. they're a little too honest. oh, isn't he cute? i'm like -- i would have been feeling good about myself at this party if he wasn't sitting there pointing out my flaws. >> stephanie: i can remember, i was a camp counselor at a camp for overprivileged children in college. that led to probably a decade of eating disorder. a kid looked at me and said you're fat! that echoes in your brain forever. >> oh, that's the reason. >> stephanie: that kid. you know who you are you little bastard. >> that's why you're insane. >> you know what? this is so evil, there was a boy that was so mean to me growing up. he would call me ugly. i saw pictures of this new baby on facebook. i think all babies are cute but

this baby was weird looking. she looked like him. he has a little daughter with a face like him. i was like ooh boy. that's karma. >> stephanie: exactly. i know what you mean. we have a friend that comes in that's drop dead gorgeous. she tells nephew stories all the time. they're like you're a little chunky. they're very -- there's no filter right? >> no. my parents are getting older. they're losing their filter. i don't want it coming from all ends. enough is enough! [ laughter ] >> stephanie: so, that's where -- we were just talking about this that even in the boston aftermath parents are being counseled how to talk to kids. that was another reason why i knew i should not have them because all i can do is panic and drink and that's what i would advise my children. >> my parents were like -- just give them a little teaspoon of whiskey. they'll be fine. my parents were like that. remember that made for tv movie

"the day after"? >> yes. >> about nuclear annihilation. >> my teacher in fifth grade sent a note home saying don't let your kids watch this. my mother, don't tell me how to raise my child. we're watching it! you're going to know what's going to happen. we sat as a family and watched the movie. i was like what the hell is this? i was scarred for life. but i think that's how i would raise my kids if i had them. well you need to know about north korea. they're pointing a nuke at us and you gotta enjoy your lunch. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: listen, that's probably a better way to encourage kids to eat than i've heard lately. >> that could be your last bowl of chowder. >> are you going to cry how you don't want to go to bed you might not wake up if this guy gets ahold of long-range missiles. >> stephanie: i'm with you sister. my friends that have kids it just seems like it really cuts into your cocktail hour. >> well, if it was the '70s, you could drink and have kids because everyone wasn't so

pressured about it. but now, it is like oh, my god. i only have one glass of wine during my pregnancy and we don't have wine in front of the kids and my kids don't watch tv. they play with organic blocks. it is like all right forget it. nobody is fun anymore. >> stephanie: that's true. see, i grew up in that era too. martinis at 5:00 no matter what. >> the sun is almost down, let's start. it is totally fine. >> stephanie: exactly. and plus, like, in fact, just yesterday, it is that whole trying to have a conversation with a friend with a kid. we had a lot of important stuff to talk about. all you hear is -- >> mommy talking now. okay, now, mommy needs a break. it is relentless. >> they never get back to you. last time i talked to you you had stage seven cancer. put that down, billy! stage seven cancer. billy! you're like forget it, i have to go. no one has stage seven cancer.

>> stephanie: i was going to say you were exaggerating for comedy purposes there. >> there is no stage seven. >> stephanie: you've been bad for ten years. still can't talk to you. my kid has a toothache. it really is true. we're in hollywood so we're used to people that are self-involved but kids, they're just relentless. they do not care, right? >> that's what's so funny. i thought i was living where all of the weirdos come to roost which is hollywood. but it seems like more than ever being normal is the new weird thing. every celebrity thing is like i was so selfish until i had a child. well then you were just a bad person because i'm actually a semi good person who gives to charity. i don't need to have a kid to remind me that life is short. when ma doon na or angelina jolie talks about how motherhood transformed them. you were huge bitches before. >> stephanie: jen kirkman love you! >> love you guys.

>> yea! >> stephanie: 58 minutes after the hour.

[ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right. hour number two. jacki schechner, how much do we love jen kirk ?an. >> she is funny. i can totally relate to that conversation thing where you're talking to somebody with a kid and they like half ask you a question or not really listening. like oh, forget it. >> stephanie: that's gotta be the line of the morning. i have stage seven cancer, billy, put that down. >> don't put a fork in the toaster. what are you doing? >> you can hear that moment. their brain clicks off.

they ask the question. it is like immediately flashcube in another direction. >> stephanie: you can tell they put the phone down as you're bearing your soul. your most -- >> halfway through your diatribe you just give up. i know you're not listening. >> i'm sorry what? >> stephanie: it doesn't matter. you procreated. it is all over now. >> friendship dead. >> stephanie: here she is, childless winner, not a childless loser like me, jacki schechner in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody. president obama is having dinner tonight with a dozen of the senate democrats same way he's done with republican senators recently. twice before. on the menu for conversation tonight, gun control the budget and immigration reform. washington senator patty murray put the dinner together at the request of the white house. tomorrow, the president heads to boston to participate in an interfaith service in honor of the three people killed and some 176 wounded after the two explosives went off at the marathon finish line monday in boston. cnn reporting now the lid from a

pressure cooker has been found on the rooftop of a building at the crime scene. the fbi has confirmed at least one of the two bombs was made from a pressure cooker filled with explosives and things like ball bearings, nails and other lethal shrapnel. the other bomb was in some sort of container of metal consistency. it is not clear yet whether or not that too was a pressure cooker. investigators are using the pieces that they find to try and reconstruct the device. that includes the debris that doctors are finding inside of patients they're treating. here's dr. peter burke from boston medical this morning. >> we've taken out large quantities of pieces of things. it is hard to really tell exactly what they are. we sent them to the pathologist. they're available to the police. >> on a little bit of a lighter note this morning some good news out of new zealand. the country becomes the 13th in the world to legalize

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>> thank you. i just had it stuffed. >> stephanie: terrific. coming up this hour, former fbi agent to talk about all of the latest stuff out of boston. you know what? just because we need to take our mind off stuff like this every now and again because it is nonstop, it is emotional. we need to talk about florida where hundreds of thousands of rat-size house-eating snails have invaded. >> rat-sized snails? eww! >> well, boiling water and some garlic and butter. >> stephanie: garlic. >> done! >> stephanie: what's not good with butter? florida -- gawker brings us the story as they mostly do. florida has a new problem giant african land snails. they grow as large as rats. have been found -- >> rats the size of cats. >> stephanie: have been found in more than -- 1,000 are caught each week. >> a thousand?

>> stephanie: a resident said they're huge. they move around and they look like they're looking at you. >> with those eyes on the stalks? >> this is what the stand your ground law is for. >> stephanie: he's talking to me. >> you talkin' to me? i'm the only one here. >> stephanie: they all speak in robert de niro. they're look at you. communicating with you. people enjoy them for that. >> enjoy them? >> stephanie: people in florida are weird. can i just say? >> i hate to seat slime trail they leave. -- i hate to see the slime trail they leave. >> stephanie: who would want [ bleep ] giant rat-sized snail? >> ke$ha. >> stephanie: we locked eyes. i know what you're saying. okay. but they don't realize the devastation they can create if they're released into the environment where they don't have any natural enemies. in seven weeks each female can produce 1200 eggs a year.

yikes. will emerge from the ground after florida's rainy season ends. [ screaming ] >> import a bunch of frenchmen. >> stephanie: buy more butter. don't be left unprepared. >> they have python problem in florida and now they have sinkholes and now -- snails the size of buicks. >> stephanie: that sounds awful. >> and your hair would frizz. >> stephanie: not since that appearance for a miami station in august. my '80s hair again. [ explosion ] pay for a blowout straightening and i ironed it. like a minute and a half and. [ explosion ] i'm linked to mob squad again. >> no beauty or vanity in florida in august. >> stephanie: sweating! oh god. i would dry myself with a giant snail. sweating, that's all it is.

all right. we were talking about -- oh, we still haven't gotten over the right wing caller even yesterday oh how come you aren't blaming obama? everyone blamed bush the same day 9-11 happened. [ buzzer ] which is complete crap. really bad analogy to compare the two. ignored how many billions of warnings when all of the intelligence came out later about what happened. this is a massive security failure. and he started a war with the wrong country over it. so there's that. complete open event like the boston marathon. how do you stop that? somebody puts -- >> there was no national security memo saying look out. >> stephanie: exactly. 3,000 americans i don't. the worst security failure in our history and you're comparing -- whatever. you'll be happy to know george w. bush says he's comfortable with his legacy on the iraq war. >> so he's the one. >> he would be the one.

he said he was comfortable with his decision making regarding the iraq war. so, i feel better. i'm confident the decisions were made the right way. it is easy to forget what life was like when the decision was made. oh, no we remember exactly what life was like. >> we into you that iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. >> stephanie: yeah. i was talking to a friend yesterday about how -- that was really a bad period for -- you know, because i was visiting a friend in utah and mormon and utah, an amazing person. she had fox news on when i walked in. i was like oh, no! it was during the war. you started -- we started chatting. she's like well, you know, he has weapons of mass destruction and we had to -- i was like -- >> no! >> i was working -- at a right-wing station at that time and i remember saying to my fellow producers um, can someone please explain to me what iraq has to do with 9-11?

i think i stunned them into silence. they didn't have an answer. >> stephanie: why do you hate ?eark. >> it didn't occur to them. >> stephanie: i'm surprised someone didn't break your glasses with a rock. right wing radio. that's until i rescued him. he'll never forget the fateful call. chris, pack your [ bleep ] >> woo-hoo! >> stephanie: i'm busting you out. >> saddam hussein whenever he found out al-qaeda agent in iraq, had them killed. no questions asked. so yeah, bad as he was. >> stephanie: bush's rare interview in don't you wish there were more? comes as he prepares to attend a ceremony for the opening of his presidential library. which i'm pretty sure it will be spelled that way on the building. >> l-i-b-a-r-y. >> stephanie: we got books. >> lots of books and crayons.

>> stephanie: i'm comfortable with what i did. i'm comfortable with who i am. wow. >> we got ourselves -- >> stephanie: looking for the fictional weapons of mass destruction. >> how about the shiia we put in charge. the mid evil whack job. >> you saved me from the right wing puppy mill says chase from the chat room. >> stephanie: i'm a rescue person. >> country with a lot of diseases. >> stephanie: right. >> got ourselves a surplus. means you're paying too much tax. i'm going to fix that. >> stephanie: baseball card in the spokes. >> rat tat tat tat, tat. >> stephanie: that's an oldy but a goody. he used to like to ride his bike so much. until he ran over the scottish policeman, one of our other

favorite stories. >> broke his foot. >> stephanie: because he rides like a [ bleep ] hole, same way he governs. >> you know how awful a broken foot is. >> stephanie: right! okay. anyway, he said he's glad his paintings are confounding his critics. people are surprised. some people are surprised i can even read. yes, that's true. >> computer says yes! >> stephanie: anyway. >> sure couldn't read national security action. >> stephanie: he might have read it before he barbecued it at the ranch. >> we're out of napkins. where is that memo? >> not a lot of ranching was going on. >> stephanie: brush clearing. where do we find more brush for this idiot to clear? really? is there anymore brush? it is busy work. >> airlift some brush. drop it on the ranch. >> stephanie: pam in new hampshire, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hey, pam. >> caller: hi, stephanie. how are you?

>> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: um, i just had a thought because no one has brought it up or maybe they're afraid to. but al-qaeda will go after anybody. the last mile was dedicated to the newtown sandy hook. >> stephanie: that's right. >> caller: family members were there and what really upsets me is that if a gun would have been used it wouldn't have looked good and how do you know it is not some gun nut because no one is talking about the gun safety bills. jeff flake is not going to support anything now. they go online and they're like not going to do anything. and then he has the norvasc stand with gabby giffords yesterday, dedicating a part of the house to zimmerman but now they're -- no one is talking about it. how do you know it is not some right wing nut? why don't they get the elite people. >> stephanie: what do you

mean? >> caller: well, you think they would want to make a name for themselves and get the top runners but they wait until they're gone. >> stephanie: because that's when the most amount of people are finishing. >> caller: exactly. no one is making the connection. now we're not talking about gun safety. with everything going on, they're withdrawing -- >> stephanie: pam, look, i appreciate your call. i just think it is irresponsible to speculate on either side. i don't want to be the "new york post" -- >> wouldn't surprise me in someone from the nra said look, guns don't kill people. >> stephanie: we have no evidence. it doesn't matter what's causing it. it is disgusting what's happening with the gun bill. bipartisan effort to expand background checks. that was supposed to be the low-hanging fruit. in deep trouble as the senate approaches the long-awaited vote. >> joe manchin has gone on shows this morning and said it is not going to pass and it is his bill. >> stephanie: and we're at 92%

approval rating for background checks in this country. >> frustrating. absolutely frustrating. >> stephanie: joe scarborough was going off on it this morning. >> that should be the easy part. >> stephanie: 11-year-old totes an ar-15 at a new hampshire state house protest. he made news to repeal the stand your ground law when he brought a flag with a picture of an ar-15 on it. come and take it for the state house protest in concord. really? is that the most important thing to teach your 11-year-old? anyway. we have -- by the way, mother jones has new research. this is shocking, jim. you will be shocked. new research confirms gun rampages are rising and armed civilians don't stop them. okay. we'll get to that. all of that stuff. >> stephanie: all of the stuff we've been talking about. because people like to say they don't have any -- yes we have facts! and statistics. all right. we'll get to all of that as we

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about the latest out of boston. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. kelly in tennessee, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi kel. >> caller: hi. so nice to talk to you. >> stephanie: you, too. >> caller: i was upset about all of this hypocrisy that's going on on the right. bill o'reilly saying the president didn't use the right word when, do you remember when bush had a press conference and he looked right in the camera and said, after the 9-11 bombing, said bring it on. to the terrorists. >> stephanie: and they did huh? >> caller: nobody is outraged over his speech. things he said. >> stephanie: exactly. thank you kel. let's go to gayle in new york on the background check legislation. hi gayle. >> caller: good morning. i love your show. >> stephanie: i love you back. >> caller: i'm very concerned about the fact they may vote this watered down legislation

down today. i'm asking all people who listen to your show to give a call to the senators. i called six this morning. i put it this way, are you a u.s. senator or just a senator? and if you're a u.s. senator you represent all of us, no matter which state you live in and if 90 some percent of us want some sort of background checks, the least you can do is vote for that. and if not then you sport nra. >> stephanie: gayle, i have to say, this is not even a partisan thing. the fact that some democratic senators are going to vote against legislation that 92% of all americans want is, in my opinion, more disgraceful. you know. >> caller: i called lando's office she hasn't come out officially as to her position. which irks me. they won't even tell you their positions to which i said according to the news this morning, she's leaning to voting no. so if she does vote no, she should put an r by her name

because she's certainly not a democrat. i encourage your listeners to call their senators. hopefully we can get something done. thanks again. >> stephanie: thanks, kelly. rick in chicago welcome. >> caller: how is it going? ma'am? >> stephanie: ma'am never goes well for me. >> caller: how is it going? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i just wanted to comment on the fact that you guys say that guns kill people. >> stephanie: yes. >> caller: in fact i can set the gun on the counter and tell it to fire and it won't fire. background checks that go through, i'm with -- i support the nra. >> really? >> caller: but on the same side, all of the nra supports background checks. we currently do those. >> stephanie: no we don't. that's why we have the bill that's presently up. rick, let me ask you something.

would you rather live in a country that has 10,000 gun deaths? is that what we have a year or seven? >> just going back to wyoming where i was actually -- i just came from there and in one year, just alone what i've seen and heard in my local towns three robberies and thefts were prevented. >> stephanie: you did your own study so therefore, it is worth having 10,000 -- >> where is that study? >> stephanie: 6-year-olds in their classroom. that's worth it for the -- look, rick, they have done studies. it is remarkably low number of crimes that are actually stopped with guns. by the way i believe we were going to have the guy on or we will that did the research for mother jones. you know, we did that statistic whatever he was just talking about. that is so rare. it is just -- so really, that's worth the amount of carnage we

have in this country. this headline is new research confirms gun rampages are rising. i don't think we needed a study for that. armed civilians don't stop them. let's see. research from an expert on the criminal justice at texas state university shows gun rampages have escalated. this is coming out in a book in july. public shooting rampages have spiked over the last few years. many of the attackers heavily armed. none of the shootings were stopped by an ordinary citizen using a gun. that would be none, rick. just none. numbers, that would be none. the unprecedented spike came during the same four-year period that saw a wave of nearly 100 state laws making it easier to obtain carry and conceal firearms. there is a correlation. you may not want to -- admit it. >> and stand your ground laws led to more murders. one guy thought a kid was playing his stereo too loud so he shot him to death. rick he found three case out of 84 in which an armed individual who had been on the scene used a

firearm to stop the shooter. none of the three were ordinary citizens. two were off-duty police officers and one was a u.s. marine. so, you know, remember we had all of the guys calling in, particularly the aurora -- i would have -- here's what i would have done with my spider-man skill -- no, you wouldn't have, beaufort. you would have [ bleep ] your pants. >> first, he had full body armor. you weren't going to hit him anyway. he had this gigantic magazine. he could keep shooting forever. >> stephanie: it was dark and smoke. >> bullets were flying through the walls. >> stephanie: i would have knowed with my spidey sense he was going to do it and then i would have -- >> make sure he couldn't have not done it. >> stephanie: probably would have shot a bunch of spectators by accident and then shot your own [ bleep ] off you moron. 29 minutes after the hour. former fbi agent chris kerr next on "the stephanie miller show."

going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

>> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." 34 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number. lot of talk about boston and the aftermath and the investigation and who better to talk to them than chris kerr, former fbi agent, best selling author. >> how are you? >> stephanie: thanks so much for taking time for us. >> sure. >> stephanie: as you know in the age of the internet and 24/7

news cycle, a lot of speculation about who is behind this. what are the police doing right now? >> they're catalog every shred of evidence from the scene. that's very important. that's proven key to solving big cases in the past. the oklahoma city bombing was solved in part because of a piece of an axle found in the wreckage right at the center of the explosion. the v.i.n. number on it. you see photographs of the serial number or at least partial serial number on one of the pressure cookers believed to be used as bombs. in this case. that's going to be very important. i'm sure. witness statements, photographs do you meaning those. we have very high-quality images taken by surveillance cameras

and every cell phone in the area that was photographing the event. so getting control of all of that information that's going to be very important. >> stephanie: chris, we were saying that's what's been really helpful to law enforcement ever since "america's most wanted" and shows like that started. everyone has a cell phone camera. why the fbi is asking for all of that. even if you don't think it is significant, could be something right? >> right. and they have the man-mile-per-hour. whoever perpetrated this horrific act was trying to make a splash and create terror and they succeeded in that. but what they have also done is bring out in massive commitment of resources that's going to be their undoing. there's no question. i don't know how long it is going to take but there's no question this will be solved. >> stephanie: really. that's reassuring. you know, my producer asked something this morning. i was curious when you find the backpacks, is there any chance

there might be dna on those from the perpetrators or no? >> you know, it is possible. the sophisticated techniques that they have for recovering dna nowadays are so vastly improved from the early days. that i'm sure you probably read news accounts of dna being recovered from, you know, thousand-year-old mummies. so if they can do that, they can also do that with, you know, if there is any dna specimens present on those backpacks you know, it is possible. it is possible. >> stephanie: right. chris, you know, obviously some people have been talking about the madrid bombing and all of that. is your gut the sense there is more than one person involved here or what do you think? >> you know, that's really so hard to say at this point.

it seems likely to me, i think and that's just a guess. just by virtue of the fact that there were two explosions. but you know, that's really -- that's the only thing i have to base that on. >> stephanie: right. now, chris the timing of the explosion, a lot of us have talked about that. you know in fact, one of my friends in new york, i was supposed to be on cnn. it was interesting, they said this might be a gas main thing. he immediately -- because he's run marathons he said no, this was timed for when most people are finishing because most people aren't elite runners. what does the timing of that tell you? >> that makes sense to me. i suppose that's likely because the -- you know, the first finishers are few and far between. the great bulk of marathon runners, the thousands of people that participate come in, you know far behind the lead

runners. >> stephanie: right. >> obviously the design of these bombs with the ball bearings and reports of nails that were designed to kill and mame as many people as possible, they want the greatest number of people at the finish line. when they go off. so that seems likely. >> stephanie: so, you know, obviously you've heard all of the speculation. obviously on both sides whether it is partisanship or whatever it is. when do investigators make a determination if they think this is foreign or domestic? obviously there are some things that might lead you to believe either right? >> right. i doubt that -- i'll put it to you this way. in a case of this magnitude you know, it is not quite 9-11 but it is in that leak. there will be -- they'll investigate every lead. no matter how unpromising. so until they determine for

certain that it is one or the other, they won't make that -- they won't make that determination. they'll just cover every lead that comes in. and see where the investigation takes them. >> stephanie: right. obviously, we've talked about a lot of other major cities have been put on high alert. what's the length of time for that too before -- if people determine is this a multiple city attack kind of thing? >> well, you know, that's hard to say. in part, it depends on whether this was a lone wolf -- olympic bomber, eric rudolph or somebody like that or the unibottommer -- the unabomber you'll call recall conducted attacks over a period of time and they were -- i think sometimes there were years between attacks. so it just depends on who's behind this, really. >> stephanie: yeah. interesting, a lot of people were talking about that yesterday with us, chris about the atlanta bombings that you

referred to whereas it was the same thing where there was originally a suspicion that turned out to be the wrong person and yesterday we've already heard the "new york post" went right with this saudi national, you know, turns out he's been cleared fully. he was a student running like everybody else because he was scared. >> the oklahoma bombing they had the same thing happen. >> exactly. >> stephanie: who was that chris, that was the original? >> they -- someone off a plane that was mideastern. >> exactly. >> stephanie: oh, interesting. now, you mentioned about -- whether it is unabomber atlanta, i know it is hard to say but do you get a sense in this day and age how long it might take to find this person or people? >> well, based on what we've seen in the past, if this case is solved quickly it will probably be in the first few days of the investigation. and if it's not solved that

quickly, just like most police officers will tell you about homicides. the murder cases. if they're going to be solved quickly, they'll be solved right in the first couple of days. if not, it is going to take awhile. that's my sense here too. based on past experience. but so if it's not solved so to speak in the first couple of days, it may take awhile. but there's no doubt with the massive resources being devoted to this case and the motivation of those involved in the investigation, there's just no doubt in my mind this case will be solved. >> stephanie: that's really reassuring. chris, you know, i think that -- as we've always said, point of any kind of terrorism is to terrorize us, make us terrified to go anywhere or do anything. we were saying in an open society, how do you stop this? this is -- obviously boston marathon, one of the last big open sort of events, right?

>> yeah. i mean, you can't stop it entirely. it is just -- it is impossible. as you say in an open society. without giving up all of our civil liberties. and nobody wants that. and then the terrorists have one. if that's what happens. but you know, you have to -- i'll tell you -- to be honest with you i'm surprised that this kind of thing didn't happen sooner. i mean it is really a tribute to the -- i think, to the efforts of the unsung victories of the various law enforcement agencies since 9-11 that we haven't had more attacks like this. you're never going to be able to eliminate all of them. but they've thwarted quite a number. >> stephanie: chris if you were the fbi agent on this case, what does the pressure cooker tell you exactly? anything? >> well, i mean, you know, you would be tempted to want to say

that it means that it is -- a lone wolf or an unsophisticated small group of people because of the type of device but these devices are used all over the world. this technique has been widely publicized and you can't eliminate the possibility that some more sophisticated group deliberately chose this relatively low-level or unsophisticated technique in part to throw investigators off the trail. >> stephanie: interesting. we just don't know, you know. at this point. >> stephanie: but somebody was saying that you know, whoever did it, they were kind of crappy at it. whether on purpose or not. but thankfully, right? we've seen -- i was looking at some of the incidents around the world. there were huge numbers. like 191 whether it was in madrid -- and you don't -- like you say because you don't know if that tells you it was somebody that was not -- like you say, low level.

whether they're doing that on purpose. >> right right. you just don't know. >> stephanie: because you know, that's what we used to hear. remember 9-11, organizations like al-qaeda wanted spectacular events and clearly like 9-11. >> this made quite a splash. you have to admit. if that's what they were looking for. got everybody's attention. and you know, with killing you know, three people so far i believe, and a lot of mayhem. >> stephanie: yeah. that's the point of terror, right? well, chris, thank you so much. you know, i've seen your book, read your books before. you're terrific at explaining all of this stuff to us laypeople. i appreciate it. thank you, chris. >> thank you. >> stephanie: talk to you soon. chris kerr, former fbi agent. [ applause ] >> wow. >> stephanie: all right. 45 minutes after the hour. right back with the latest on this gun legislation. on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: join the party

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juicy. okay. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number. queen bee in tennessee. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi, queen bee. >> caller: hi, y'all. hello, sexy chris. >> hey, queen bee. >> caller: i was listening to your interview with jen kirkman. number one i don't like kids either. my children were raised by the grace of god. i had nothing to do with it. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: go raise yourselves. mama's base by! busy. >> when parents see their kids do something and they say oh, isn't it sweet? well, no! what i want to do is take them out behind the woodshed and take along the board of education. because they need it. i think what's wrong today is a lot of people do not discipline their children! they just don't! >> stephanie: a lot of people that shouldn't have kids, have them. >> caller: absolutely. >> stephanie: with this gun debate, anybody can have a kid. you know, you don't need to do anything. >> you should probably get a

license to parent. >> should be a training program. >> stephanie: linda in california. hi linda welcome. >> caller: benes diaz, good morning to all. my call is based on last week's show. miracles. all of -- they scoffed at people who believe in them. when you said my friend said our helper was like an angel. if she could see that he was like an angel then it was a miracle. that made it possible for she and her daughter to make it from darkness into light. >> stephanie: yeah, that's true. i don't remember scoffing at miracles last week. >> it might have been me. >> stephanie: it was probably you. >> nay-sayer. >> stephanie: muscle head. >> stephanie: all right. >> well, i'm not a communist. but atheist. someone could call me a muscle head. >> time for another episode of republicans eating their own. [ applause ]

>> stephanie: get my cat fight out. ann coulter and meghan mccain are at it again on twitter. [cat screeching] >> msnbc's martin bichir suggested republican members need to have a member of their family killed to support gun laws, let's start with meghan mccain. [ buzzer ] >> didn't take kindly to that. >> nifty. >> stephanie: my favorite thing on the show about ann coulter, he looks like something they left behind on the island of dr. morrow. >> stephanie: leave her. she's too bitey. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: karen in -- [chomping noises] >> stephanie: karen in connecticut, you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: good morning, everyone. >> stephanie: good morning. >> caller: i just want to make a quick point about the bombing and whatever the person or people hope to accomplish, i think we all do really well to remember how amazing everybody is.

how many people rush to help other people. there was a cameraman who was just filming the end of the race and the moment that bomb went off, he went immediately toward it. he didn't take a single step back. i'm so in awe of these people. you don't know what you would do if you're in that situation. >> stephanie: yeah. that's why karen i lived in new york for 9-11 and we were so in awe of the firemen. what kind of instinct just for a human being even if it is your job to rush into a burning building to help other people. >> caller: actually, i do think i know i would wet my pants and run the other way. that makes these people even more heroic to me. >> stephanie: we were talking about the guy in the cowboy hat that tourniqueted the legs of this guy who had his legs blown off in front him. i'm squeamish if i get a little cut. he ran toward it and saved this guy's life. god bless him right?

>> caller: to be able to think that okay, this is what i need to do right now to help this person. >> stephanie: absolutely. >> honoring the memory of his dead sons. >> stephanie: right. one son died in iraq. the other son killed himself over grief over it. there he was honoring them. we were talking about this disgusting -- it looks like the background -- even the watered down background check bill is not going to pass. by the way, one gun rights group has endorsed the background check bill. they broke with the nra along with 92% of the rest of america. it is just -- it is incredible. oh, look, another day, another story like this. errant gunshot wounds at a gun show. you know what would be a good idea is gun shows. a gun show participant accidently fired a large caliber shotgun resulting in two injured attendees. he didn't realize it was load and unintentionally fired it into a display.

it hit two other guns in the display and the shrapnel hit the two bystanders. so that happened. >> oh, son of a bitch. i just [ bleep ] shot myself. shot myself, shot myself. i just [ bleep ] shot myself. ♪ ♪ i just [ bleep ] shot myself ♪ ♪ i just [ bleep ] shot myself ♪ >> in this case, it was gun on gun violence. >> stephanie: first thing they teach you in gun safety is always to act liability gun is loaded. >> just get the guns to kill each other. leave the people out of the equation. >> stephanie: that's a good idea. start shooting the guns at gun shows. >> have the guns shoot the other guns. >> right. >> stephanie: i was going to do guns don't kill people thing. antoine in kansas city. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hey, antoine. >> caller: how's the most beautiful woman on the radio? >> oh, god don't do that? >> stephanie: all right. thank you. low bar. hi antoine. go ahead.

>> caller: i'm so sick of democrats and republicans. >> stephanie: me too. >> caller: talking about taking away my constitutional right for a background check. what kind of country do we live in? they think our opinions on an 18th century constitutional amendment that needs to be updated. i'm sorry. we don't have muskets and bayonets anymore. we're dealing with weapons that kill multiple people in seconds. >> we have a standing army. >> stephanie: jim ward does tend to have hide red coats in his house. >> third amendment is something i believe in. >> caller: i'm just bahelled with people talking about constitutional rights. i'm sorry, guys. we don't have these well-regulated militias. so we have to do something about it. i say get rid of everyone. democrats and republicans and i'm a registered democrat. i'm sick of the democrats who don't have spines.

>> stephanie: they are nonregulated bunch of doofuses. >> the idea of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness outranks the second amendment. >> stephanie: don in north carolina. >> caller: how are you doing? >> stephanie: i'm good. go ahead. >> caller: i'm a devoted independent. i demand to hear both the left wing and the right wing side of every event. i was down to rockingham, north carolina this weekend for a nascar race. and a u.s. representative addressed the crowd. he welcomed everybody to rockingham. told them to have a good time. and the last thing he said was take your hands off our damn guns. i was appalled that the crowd stood up and cheered. >> stephanie: he doesn't just listen to both sides, he demands to hear both sides. >> yeah! >> stephanie: take that. 58 minutes after the hour. hump days with hal sparks next on "the stephanie miller show."

[ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right. hump days with sexy liberal hal sparks coming up live in studio in a couple of minutes. jacki schechner -- >> yes. >> stephanie: paying attention to all of the pot of news so we don't have to. i like to bring you the news you may have missed including the fact a new mexico man facing charges after albuquerque police say he tried to trade a meal from mcdonald's for sex. that would be a happy ending meal. >> sounds like a good deal. >> you wrote that yourself. >> stephanie: i wrote that

joke myself, jacki, just for you. >> very funny. it doesn't seem like a very good deal. >> no, it doesn't. >> does it come with fries? >> at least try to super size that. i just came up with that one. >> we wrote you two jokes jacki. >> i'm honored. >> not cheese. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: jim just writes smut. here she is, jacki schechner in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody. abc news is reporting now that a second letter tainted with ricin has been sent to the u.s. senate. yesterday, the mail processing facility intercepted a letter addressed to mississippi senator roger wicker that did test positive for ricin. the poison has to be ingested to be fatal according to "usa today's" bioterrorism expert, it was someone from the university of washington. senator claire mccaskill tells the paper the fbi already has a suspect. somebody who sends a lot of letters to the senate allegedly. the senate meanwhile planning to vote today on nine

amendments to possible gun control legislation. including the ex-panded background check deal that senators joe manchin and pat too toomey came to. both indicating they do not have the votes to get it passed. only 22 democrats are in support of another amendment the assault weapons ban. interesting, majority leader harry reid seems to have come around saying he will vote in favor of it, in spite of his close ties to the nra and having expressed serious reservations about military style assault weapons in the recent past. the joint terrorism task force of boston is releasing photos to reuters showing some of the debris from the boston marathon explosion site. so far investigators have pieced together the two bombs were housed in metal containers, one known to be a pressure cooker and carried in a black nylon bag or backpack. investigators are collecting everything to send to the fbi lab in quantico, virginia. trying to re-create the devices and they're also looking for clues as to where someone may

have bought the component and whether they can be linked to other materials used in other attacks. we're back after the break. stay with us. he's at it again. >>it's michael moore here to see the chairman. >>and this time he's serious. >>we want our money back. >>no filmmaker is more "current" than michael moore. >>there's no in between no more. there's the people that got it all and the people that have nothing. >>welcome to the housing crash. >>boom! >>do not be afraid. federal prison is a nice place.

>> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. six minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12. toll free from anywhere. we just made some funny jokes for jacki about the guy in mcdonald's that tried to trade a mcdonald's meal for sex. i said it was a happy ending meal and you said -- >> he should super size it. >> i said that's not cheese. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: speaking of making jokes. >> what's that heavy breathing i hear? why, could it be?

>> oh, yeah! ♪ the humpty dance, do the hump ♪ >> hump days with hal sparks. >> yes, yes! >> stephanie: have you apologized to the roof of the chicago theatre yet which is missing, now because -- >> raised it. >> raise the roof. >> you didn't put it back. >> i did not. it was rude. kind of like an out-of-control super hero. um yeah, it was amazing. it was a great night. you know, because as a comic i think you -- the rule is comics say funny things and comedians say things in a funny way. the goal as a comedian is to have a point. that matters. and you can -- the rare thing about the sexy liberal shows is the ability and kind of space to say something deeper within the conversation of what you're doing, especially in light of what happened after we were there. in light of what's been going on with sandy hook and all of the

other issues, to be able to actually be funny tell some jokes. but also, you know, carry a deeper point. it is such an amazing experience. when there's 2600 people there and they're all caught by it, it is amazing. >> stephanie: i was telling these guys, there's as much crying as laughing. not really just a comedy show. two people got engaged. it was incredible. >> contrary to popular belief on the right where three people would have gotten engaged at our show or a man and a goat would have gotten engaged or a dog and a -- and three mormons would have gotten engaged whatever they think the slippery slope is. i do. >> stephanie: the sexy right wing comedy show. you take me to -- that's beautiful. >> animals can't give consent. >> well, neither can my wife. [ laughter ] >> wild and wonderful whites of

west virginia. oh yeah. >> stephanie: oh hal so, wow. i was telling everybody, i was really stressed out yesterday. my best friend from 30 years was in boston. i got a text she was there. until i knew she was safe, i didn't know both of her daughters were with her or just one. she was two blocks away from where the explosion was. some good samaritan named evan, thank you evan, helped them. they didn't know the city. got them out of the city. she said you could smell it from two blocks away. >> sure. >> stephanie: chaos. these stories are -- you know -- >> that's the goal. the interesting thing is that you know, the saying, no one has claimed responsibility. there's no direct linkage. as of yet. which is -- you know, i guess part of -- scattering a society and making everybody slip into panic mode, you want to wait as long as possible. they won't claim you know, why they did it until late in the

game. because that's what it is to them. it is a game. it is about stirring everybody up. keeping everybody panicked. as long as possible. interesting thing about it being terrorism specifically is terrorism is meant -- it isn't just any time you scare someone. doing something technically speaking if you put a bomb in a local score just because you hate everybody there that's not technically terrorism. that's just an act of murder. mass murder. terrorism has a specific, political agenda. >> stephanie: right. it is what we were saying, time when the most runners -- >> on patriots' day. >> the problem with this, in our -- we have so many tragedies that we're dealing with and we're cleaning up the end of two wars of choice and we have all of the collateral damage to look forward to from those, the way we look forward to the collateral damage and ended up with arguably 9-11 from our involvement in afghanistan and our involvement in the middle

east for decades. that you have to -- there is an onion the fbi has to deal with. they have to peel back layers and figure out who is exactly making what point and what attack is happening. so -- >> stephanie: that's what we were saying. what they call them the hot minutes right afterwards. of course, bill o'reilly -- really, all over the semantics the president didn't say the word "terror." >> as an adult, it is irresponsible to jump to conclusions because you need to be open to all possibilities. because the idea -- if you want to call it terror in the abstract, the president doing that is arguably a direction of the forces involved in it. okay. we're now treating it as an act of terror. those are the sources you look at. 10,000 leads coming in. focus on 2,000 because that acts as a directive from the administration. you can't do that. it is irresponsible. it is not being an adult. >> stephanie: the "new york post" was first and wrong.

they had the count way off. it is a saudi national. >> we were wrong first. >> by the way janet napolitano was testifying on capitol hill about the boston marathon bombings and she said there is no indication this was part of a bigger plot. that's a little bit of breaking news there. >> hal: no -- absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. it doesn't mean they won't be tied to other things later. there is a reason why new york and los angeles and seattle and chicago are all on alert and watching out for stuff like that. because these kind of acts are too easy to do. they are not -- they do not require a level of sophistication. the local law enforcement and fbi all across the country has foiled plots like this before and they go under the radar because they aren't the kind -- they aren't -- >> al-qaeda -- it still exists generally takes credit for this stuff. >> stephanie: that's what i mean. charlie pierce was saying that he and his sportswriter friends

have said this is what it is going to be. it won't be the super bowl. it will be one of the last open events like the boston marathon. it is almost impossible to stop somebody from throwing something into a garbage can in an open society. >> right. and that's why -- arguably in london they remove all of the trash cans. but these -- i don't know if you saw one of the before and after pictures but there is a picture -- >> stephanie: you could just throw backpack down. >> because they sweep for it. but there was a parcel next to a mailbox at the bomb -- at the second bomb site that someone got a before and after picture of it. they believe that was the actual item. it was on the inside of the barricade up against a mailbox simply sitting there. it is so frightening because you see these people leaning across the barricade look down the road for their friend or relative or just -- whoever they're there to support to come running and they're standing inches away from this device.

ultimately, whoever did it, regardless, is only doing this because their point of view is inarticulate. it is -- you are unable to articulate or motivate people simply by speak your peace. so they feel the need to murder people as their way of drawing attention to their ridiculous ideals. it will never be the answer. it is a failed system regardless. and the important thing is, you know, i had said after 9-11, the most horrifying thing we could have done against osama bin laden and the people involved was being a more open society. the thing we should have done was heightened our social safety net. made religious plurality a bigger envelope in the united states. made an outreach and then made gay marriage legal. women more rights. >> stephanie: that would have blowed his dialysis machine. >> sign the lilly ledbetter act that day.

[ explosion ] sipe an equal pay legislation that day. women have every possible right and protection that the law can afford them. >> what? that wasn't the point. >> stephanie: osama bin laden's dialysis machine has exploded. >> then afghanistan just litter them with resources. reading materials. >> stephanie: richard in chicago is sitting in the roofless chicago theatre still basking in the t-rex afterglow. hello, richard. >> caller: that's what i was going to talk about. you changed the subject a number of times. current topic. these things happen all over the world. and we say oh, that's a shame. 400 people were killed here and there. we're shocked it happens here on the big island surrounded by these oceans that are supposed to protect us. and we live in this homogenous society where strangers are so easily recognized and we should be able to tell if somebody is

going to be able to hurt us. the fact is it is a porous situation and we have invited people to be angry at us. we destroy their countries we bomb them back to the stone age. what do we expect? i'm saying it is desperate times, bring desperate acts. >> stephanie: rush limbaugh tried to say it is the obama economy. obviously somebody is frustrated because it is a bad economy. >> to your point us, everyone feels their home pain more so than they do others. i am certain that in other countries where the bombings happen regularly there is a certain amount of shrugging going on when they happen on our soil because they've experienced them so harshly. and not by americans acting upon them. their own local sectarian violence creates these kind of situations and when they look at -- were it to be homegrown in our case, they would say this is something we deal with. you're going to feel your home pain more so than you're ever

going to understand. that's natural. the question -- >> stephanie: richard -- we were talking about george bush saying i'm comfortable with my decisions about the iraq war which, of course was his response to 9-11. >> he didn't make any. >> stephanie: but the point is, i think it was just yesterday there was some bomb that killed zillions more people in iraq than -- so you're right. that implication. >> caller: never had a single suicide bombing in iraq until we invaded. >> stephanie: exactly. there is open one thing we can agree on is that the t-rex bit is the best bit in the history of comedy. >> i don't know how you do that sound but it is perfect. actually, that's the velociraptor. >> i had to change it. i used to do a version of it where i would -- the guy would make a godzilla-like noise. the old-fashioned like japanese sound effect. every time.

after "jurassic park" changed everybody's expectation so the joke had to change. >> stephanie: now it sounds like what, hal? >> it is a little loud. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> you do it in a giant theatre. >> stephanie: thanks, richard. >> would you like some humous? >> stephanie: i'm that girl in school, do it again! >> i used to have a tail end joke on the end of that where after the hummus thing, i would say we look a lot alike. about the two guys talking. it was interesting that it was an unnecessary punch line. the hummus line solved the issue for me. talk about brevity and learning how to write on stage. >> mediterranean people. >> the funny thing is the caucuses points where -- mountains where mideastern became what we know as white people. that's why we look alike. there is an element where you're

standing next to someone -- >> stephanie: my favorite part is -- hal is the most physical comedian in the country. he looks just like a dinosaur. >> and the run. that's what a great big stage will give you, the ability to get some loft. >> you'll run into the piano. >> stephanie: 18 minutes after the hour. right back. more hump days with hal on "the stephanie miller show." >> yeah, sorry about. that the show's gotten a little lowbrow. >> what are you talking about? it is like the most hilarious show ever! >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show."

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you have to inject it. who opens a letter and say i think i will inject -- >> ingest it. >> stephanie: same thing. who goes what's this? >> you could be opening it up and lick your finger. it could be very dangerous. >> stephanie: there's no antidote. >> right. once you ingest it, it is curtains. >> curtains, i tell ya, curtains. >> stephanie: 1940s film, curtains for you. >> you have an amish doctor. >> electrical devices will not be allowed in here. we have bloodletting to do. >> and a barn raising to go to. >> stephanie: don't scary the leeches. there was a second letter then the third one. breaking news this morning to the president. all right, hal, we were talking about boston. you were saying you can't help -- we were saying in a 24 hour news cycle you don't want to be irresponsible. there is the internet, social media. of course, people are speculating. >> i love how alex jones -- one

of his short leash friends over to -- ask the biting gotcha question, was this a false flak? no. next question. >> stephanie: deval patrick. >> all journalists all over the world must be kicking themselves in the false -- they never had the thought to ask the government is that what this was. wow! >> that was just pure -- >> get right to the bottom of this. >> stephanie: you know, we were saying there is obviously a lot of people were drawing conclusions about it being -- what do you call it, domestic because of the significance of the nature of it. >> the datings. >> we will find out. that's the reality of it. we will find out. and when we find out we will -- regardless of whether it was foreign or domestic the people involved were trying to manipulate the emotions of the american people to behave a

certain way through murder. the way you win is to not be manipulated. if the goal is to make -- is to frighten us into becoming a less free society from a foreign standpoint, then you have an obligation to remain open and not go oh, muslims must be -- all muslims must be killed like the idiot on twitter the right wing journalism or a domestic one to stop us from normal gun legislation like background checks which 92% of americans -- >> stephanie: do you believe this? >> yes, i can because that's the reaction. any time you can duck a decision that later on might affect you and your fund-raising, this has nothing to do with votes 92% of americans are for it, including the majority of nra members. if you're ducking this vote or you're voting no on it, it is because it is a fund-raising issue. your nra vote has nothing to do with how people vote. it is how much money you get.

cpac arguably is an nra-funded and designed event. >> stephanie: ken in houston you're on with hal. hello, ken. hi, go ahead. >> caller: i was going to get back to issues with the boston bombing. you might have to excuse me. i've been shot in the throat. i take that issue kind of seriously. and my only concern is i've lived in europe for three years and during that time, while the guns were controlled, there were bombings right and left. bombing in munich airport. as a matter of fact, i had just missed that. bombing from the i.r.a. my concern is as you control some of the weapons and i understand that crazy people do not need to have them, that people will resort to more of these things, including you know go so low as molotov cocktails. >> i don't know that -- >> stephanie: we've got to respond to that after the break. 29 minutes after the hour.

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>> it is a little childish and stupid but then again so is -- >> stephanie miller. >> stephanie: the fbi assessing no links between the bombing in boston and the ricin letters is what they're saying. preliminarily, at this hour. 1-800-steph-12. didn't i sound like a real reporter when i said that? >> kind of. >> no, not really. >> weren't you just reading the chyron off the tv? >> stephanie: pretty much. tv bubble head. at this hour. >> that's the closest thing to being an anchor person. what does the screen say?

i will repeat it. you go blank yourself, san diego. >> stephanie: classy. hump days with sexy liberal hal sparks. >> hal: you know, the issue -- the last caller before we had to go to break was saying that you know, they don't have guns over there but there are more bombings as if you take people's guns away, their only resort will be to bomb people. >> stephanie: right. it is because of the stringent gun legislation that we have here that that's why yes -- >> that's why we have fewer bombings. >> i was talking about the phenomenon, something of the '70s, army faction. >> or the i.r.a. bombings in england. that is no way to design and move toward political discourse. arguably, here's the idea. maybe stop all of the bombs. you limit the ability for criminals both foreign and domestic, if you want to go that

way to get guns or crazy people to get them and we actually solve our political issues verbally. >> stephanie: jim, somebody called -- some right-winger fell into jim's trap talking to you about oklahoma city. he's like see you know, he blew -- they didn't regulate fertilizer. yes, they did! they did! they did something after oklahoma. >> i had a guy on twitter say the exact same thing. are we regulating fertilizer? that's exactly what happened. solutions. that's what an adult would do. >> i didn't hear that. >> right. >> stephanie: you didn't hear it. hi ken. ken in houston. ken finished without me. just like a man. >> how would you know? >> stephanie: and in ohio, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hello, ed.

>> caller: hi, stephanie. how are you? calling to express my disappointment with the six dems who have caved on us on the gun bill. especially max baucus. he's a long-time service in the senate. he could be a leader on this. i think if he would lead, others would follow. he kayed on us on -- he cavedden with us and now he's going to cave on the gun bill. he's chosen to get in bed with wayne lapierrre. he's a spinels jellyfish and it makes me sick. >> i disagree with you on one point. spinels would connote he has the principle and he does not stand up for it. >> caller: yes, you're right. >> marcus did not cave on single payer. max baucus ran blocker against single pair. >> caller: that's true. >> all of the people who say obama should have held out for single payer need to know that max baucus and the other blue dogs fighting against it said if

it's in there the rest of the bill dies. so the idea the mythology that obama caved on it was based around the idea that somehow he could have talked max baucus and the rest of them into it. that's not what happened at all. in this vote, he's not caving. max baucus does not believe in background checks for everybody. max baucus is stopping that from happening on purpose. >> that's the downside of the 50 state strategy. >> that's the issue. you that get these guys and they have this idea that somehow because they're in a red state or in a red area, they have to behave like a red in that regard. they do not. especially in the case of background checks and especially in the case of single payer. they could have supported this. but they -- get a lot of their money from the insurance companies so they ran blocker on behalf. and so, again that noodle back idea that somehow they were weak on this or that they caved that's not what happened.

>> stephanie: you refer to kathy -- >> i say to the republican leadership, take off your lace panties, stop being noodlebacks. >> how did she know about my lace panties? >> i'm not gay. my wife hasn't heard about this. >> stephanie: john in cleveland. welcome. >> caller: good morning. >> stephanie: hello. >> caller: you know what? i think we're missing the messaging on this whole gun deal. and i think it is time for us to stop sitting back and not putting out what it really is. and that is these guys, the nra with their ideas they're pro-terrorists because they have no problem with terrorists getting on airplanes with guns. and -- >> stephanie: not pressure cookers though. >> caller: exactly. but they are definitely pro criminal. if you can't have a background check, what can we do? come on. >> you're exactly right. here's the thing.

the private sale part of it, the gun show part is strictly them protecting the manufacturers because gun shows are just another secondary way. it is like when you go on ebay and stores that are actually not -- just stores using ebay. that's what a gun show is. the private sales is all of the crazy people who think the government's going to track me because i want an ar-15 with a silencer because i don't believe that one man one vote is a legitimate way of governing. >> i don't like loud noises. >> yeah, right. >> stephanie: yeah. the sad thing is at the nra, we did this article yesterday there were four background checks before. that doesn't cost any money. the gun industry definitely doesn't want an assault weapons ban or a magazine ban because that costs money. they would have been fine with the background check. even the nra would have been fine with a background check. we can't get even that done. >> the leadership won't.

the membership of the nra is for background checks. the leadership is not because the leadership of the nra is a lobbying group for the gun manufacturing industry. they had nothing to do with second amendment rights for you know, ted nugent on his friggin' farm. >> stephanie: you would be a good person to get your take on this because there was a piece about, you know, how wayne lapierrre succeeded. as crazy as he is, moving the debate to the right. the way he -- the way he negotiates as compared to the president who people say he caved or compromises too. he had that press conference and went far to the right wing crazies so that now the goalpost was over here. >> hal: i would agree to some degree but i think a lot of the senators who have been around for a long time, a lot of like new -- hypernew house tea party types and then the older house members, combined with them. create this wall of -- well,

they're going to take rifles like this kind of '50s mentality of protecting the second amendment. it is real -- it was already there. that bar was already far to the right. our conversation about guns is and has always been mid right. at best. >> stephanie: yep. >> that's because, you know, we have this -- the freedom fantasy. this idea that somehow the revolutionary war is still being fought. the civil war is still being fought. there's still an open wound about it that they will somehow you know, keep open until it goes their way. and the irony is that you know, you have this north carolina senator who wants to make -- >> stephanie: a lot of the people are obviously very pro drone. presumably, that's what the government is going to use against you when they come. when they come. >> look at the thug comment from around iran-contra hearings. again, that's what wayne

lapierrre is talking about. that conversation has been happening since the early '80s. these guys have been talking about -- you need a big clip so when the fbi comes, you can shoot a bunch of them. you can shoot a bunch of police officers and widow their wives and husbands. >> stephanie: aim for the head. body armor. >> now it is a normal part of the conversation. >> now, a suspicious package has been found at senator shelby's office. >> stephanie: okay. of alabama. susan in l.a. you're on "the stephanie miller show." welcome. >> caller: hey guys. i'm not saying the nra is a terrorist organization but think about how when we have these shootings, 20 children are massacred. what do they do? they ramp up the terror so we all want guns in our schools. >> absolutely. >> caller: that is real true terror and that's sickening. >> hal: arguably, that's their argument about gun legislation. they say the exact same thing about, you know, when people --

something like this happens and people go we need a political solution. they'll go that's opportunistic legislation. we shouldn't talk about this. we shouldn't make this political. that's our way of actually, in a civil society dealing with life and death issues. in a political sense. we do it in the civil arena. so when you politicize, quote-unquote, a situation so that you can make -- so that it doesn't happen again without just going out and finding the people who did it and killing them which is a short-term solution for everything, it is not a way to solve a bigger issue like crazy people getting guns and walking into theatres and elementary schools and being able to shoot them. >> stephanie: suzanne made a good point. we should not refer to newtown as a shooting. it is a massacre. >> those people are bombs. they're blanketly firing at any moving thing. >> stephanie: michael in l.a. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi mike. >> caller: hi. i just wanted to maybe expand a little bit on the last point.

i can say this from personal experience in dealing with the number of people like this. basically, the nra's message at the bottom of it is we're armed. and if we don't like what the government does, we will kill. >> hal: right. >> caller: that is terrorism. in and of itself. >> hal: it is certainly threaten blackmail. it is coercion or extortion yeah. the threat of violence to get what you want either politically or financially has been a crime for a very long time. >> stephanie: they've been using it for awhile. cross hairs on gabby giffords' district and the same kind of rhetoric. her opponent held a shooting event to raise money. >> the problem is you have a portion of human beings in our society who live in fantasy cuckoo land. >> stephanie: we were saying we would have anything to have in some news reporter having to

say latest poll. >> 8% of the people in the united states are [ bleep ] 92% of people are for background checks. 8% of the populous are just [ bleep ] holes. >> stephanie: 45 minutes after the hour. right back with the remaining moments of hump days with hal sparks. >> a mecca of misdemeanors. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." >>do not be afraid. federal prison is a nice place.

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♪ i'll stop the world and melt with ♪ >> stephanie miller. >> i'm not so sure about the melting part. >> stephanie: global warming is already making it happen. don't worry about it. 51 minutes after the hour. >> how come it's cold then because i saw more snow. global warming. no wonder they changed the game. >> herp derp. >> it is not warmer, it is colder. there's more snow. >> stephanie: welcome to fox news. mazda in virginia. welcome. >> caller: hi. it sounds like the car. >> stephanie: i know. i used to have a miata. that's what i was picturing. >> caller: can i be the official saudi american of "the stephanie miller show"?

i know nerves are raw right now. i think saudis in the u.s. -- i don't know if we're resigned, i don't want to speak for everybody but i was really grateful there was such a response of compassion on the left to kind of counter the reaction on the right that i wanted to call in and say i'm proud to be a democrat. >> you know, right now, news busters is pulling this -- saudi americans are proud to be democrats to support obama. >> caller: don't pin that on me. >> hal: it doesn't matter. they're crazy people we shouldn't have to listen to. but that's i think why the president doesn't use terms like terror and right out of the box. why there should be the patient adult work of solving the crime. >> not according to bill o'reilly. >> because the panic harms a lot of innocent people. not only that, but the relationships with other americans that should not be harmed by this process at all. there should not be a point where you should have to feel on

edge at all by the preliminary freakout that goes with this. there's no reason for it. >> stephanie: i love he was running. it is like so was everybody. they were running away. >> hal: how many people have been shot over the years from running from -- big events because the police officer was like he was running. you didn't identify yourself as a police officer. in your opinion plain clothes you were waving a gun. i would run too! >> stephanie: exactly. >> hal: there's that. >> stephanie: thank you for that majda. >> don't be offended. she can't even pronounce -- >> stephanie: i mispronounce. >> she can't pronounce sparks. >> stephanie: irma gird. >> that's why they put stephanie miller in the lead to the show. chris does that in case she can't pronounce her own name. >> stephanie miller. >> let's go to stefania.

>> stephanie: bubble headed tv anchor and it is not written anywhere. >> i'm stefania muler. >> stephanie: rory in chicago. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi rory. >> caller: hey, steph, how you doing? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i just wanted to say your show was phenomenal. two things i wanted to talk about. try to make it fast. first, they sicken me when i hear the right-wingers talk to try to finger who it is. it is the muslims, it is the gays, it is obama. it is our society. >> stephanie: it is clearly the gays. we can just stop the investigation. you have a bad phone but i love you. thank you for calling. >> call back when you have a land line or you're out of the parking garage.

it was making a good point about this. here's the thing is you know, there are certain groups -- i do a little thing on my show on saturdays now people, you can ignore. we pick a list including the west boro baptist church and louie gohmert the republican from texas. these are people you can erase. they're unimportant to the political discourse. they're mean-spirit and they are opportunistic, simply to make other people feel bad. so ignore them! >> stephanie: here's one. >> his name is louie gohmert. >> stephanie: he's a gohmert. >> hal: tell me most nra members wouldn't pantss a man named wayne lapierrre. the idea that ted nugent defers to a guy like wayne lapierrre with that hairdo is amazing because he's like a villain from a warner bros. cartoon. >> peppy le pew. he's at least the mass you on a lynn. -- the masculine.

our good friend, fellow sexy liberal john fuglesang invited him on his show and -- >> ate his lunch. >> stephanie: the two men getting married is one of the most bizarre idea because marriage is not about love. [ whatever! ] >> obviously speaking from experience. >> stephanie: right. i would book mrs. donohue. >> your husband says marriage is -- that love is not necessary to marriage. what do you say about that? mm-hmm, tell me about it! >> stephanie: because it sounds fun. he says the purpose of marriage is to make a family. do it! it is not about making people happy. it is not about love. i'm guessing mrs. donohue could confirm that. he still believes heterosexuals have the right to be married claiming they're anatomically equipped for children. >> what? >> wait a minute. because he has male genitalia he is anatomically equipped for

children? that's just a creepy statement. >> stephanie: theoretically could even if you can't or don't want to, it is okay. >> maybe he's a herm after row dite. -- herm of a dite. >> stephanie: we at the "the stephanie miller show" doesn't have information on that. we'll ask mrs. donohue when we book her. he cannot think of a single society in the history of the world that would ever entertain this. >> greece? >> stephanie: perhaps he fell asleep during class or conveniently forgot about the same sex unions in ancient greece, the wedding ceremonies of china's ancient ming dynasty or the fact that that's the first time somebody oh, my god you broke my ming vase. >> they were getting frisky. >> stephanie: right or the fact that 13 of the first 14 roman everyoners were homosexual. but other than that, bill donohue, nicely done. [ applause ] >> stephanie: some states trying to ban oral and anal sex.

they want to take away everybody's fun. >> they only get away with it because of the word sodomy. the assumption of the meaning of that word when it is any sexual act that does not lead to procreation. that's what sodomy is. >> the problem is it sounds so eww to those -- and then they find out -- >> who is handing out those tickets? i don't know if i can say the d word for sexual implement. >> stephanie: no. >> they had a one d word in south carolina, they passed this law that you can only have one of those per household. >> in the third drawer. >> one per household. who are the cops that are busting in doors. >> stephanie: from now on, we'll refer to it as a gohmert. halsparks.com. >> hal sparks on twitter. i'll tell you what all i was going to say but i couldn't.

>> stephanie: see you tomorrow on "the stephanie miller show."